Is a Hyper-focus on Trauma Actually Hurting Us? with Maria Baer
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- A new study demonstrates that contrary to popular opinion, endless personal trauma-mining is actually destructive to our mental health. In our therapeutic age, everything is pathologized, from shoplifting to drug use to having a bad day. Maria Baer joins the podcast to talk about an article she wrote for World, titled “Make Resilience Cool Again.” Maria shares about our culture’s obsession with trauma care, and how we might actually be getting it wrong.
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"There is a certain poverty that arises out of prosperity".
Amen, sister.
As a therapist, I do think people are being over-diagnosed. I know many people who have spent 10 minutes with a PCP because they were feeling kind of low or a bit anxious. They're sent home with a prescription which oftentimes does not help at all and leads to more medicines. Uncomfortable emotions don't always equate to a mental health diagnosis. At the very least, these folks need more than 10 minutes to figure it out. They deserve that much.
Excellent point. That happened to me.
I understand you are a therapist, and hopefully you're different, but my experience is therapists are like the medical system in that they don't actually want to heal the patient but want to deal with the symptoms of the sickness long term. If people got healed how would any money be made?
Not pointing a finger at you and I appreciate your comment here. Just want to point out the system is broken and people are paying the price, figuratively and literally.
Thank you for your insights.
May I add, the age of self-diagnosis via memes and ticktock’s! The increase in all of the adhd/tourettes/DID/Trauma etc… it is a contagion that is so destructive. Victimization mentality.
Follow the money. Diagnosis = dollars. People want labels and false identities and drugs so they have something to hold onto. It’s all they have outside of Christ.
I am happy to see you address this subject. As a widow of less than 2 years, I am a bit dumbfounded at other widows and widowers who have been completely derailed & paralyzed in their grief as Christians even after 5, 10 or 20 years! I am coaching individuals and building resilience is the entire premise. (I also lead a GriefShare group which is always my first recommendation.)
I agree that expectations that go unrealized is a huge part of the problem. There are also people, for whatever reason, who enjoy being victims and make a profession out of it. You spoke mostly of young people but I'm dealing with people from 50 to 80, give or take. Why do we think we should be exempt from suffering? I can tell you that physical suffering as a high functioning quad for the past 38 years has matured me in Christ and developed my character like nothing else could. I credit that for being able to process and move forward after my wonderful husband of 45 years passed relatively suddenly. Jesus is faithful in every situation. He is the joy giver and the peace in the storm. He is not a vending machine that gives us what we want. He does give us what we need.
Mrs. Anderson, What a beautiful statement! ❤ My sweet Husband, of over 42 years, left this world a little over two years ago rather suddenly too; and God has taught me so many things in the midst of my sorrow and pain; and I can see He is doing the same for you!
God bless and keep you and your family until He takes us home to be with our loved ones who have gone on before us.💔🥰
You will be in my prayers!
With the love of Christ,
C. Read
We have Grief Share at our church, wonderful program! Well said statement.
@@lifeinthe80sthis is a Christian channel so why are you here?
@@lifeinthe80spardon me?
Perhaps some of these people have unmet developmental needs that their spouse helped fill. Perhaps for some others, their spouse had become an idol. It might also be compounded recent grief, such as the sudden loss of several of their peers, family & friends. Lastly, there may be a hidden reason the individuals you speak of are stuck in their grief.
Yes. The focus on trauma is pathetic and diminishes when people ACTUALLY encounter truly traumatic experiences
My brother is very into this, at 53 years old. He announced in a room of family members some of whom have actual PTSD - he announced that he had PTSD. I asked what the trauma was, worried I had missed something. He sneered at me & named the bombing in our city that took 168 precious lives back in 1995.
The problem with that? He slept through the entire thing. He "borrowed" stories from our friends who were first responders. It's dangerous because in my family 's case, he's used this as an excuse to hurt people.
I agree with you, but that’s not what actual traumatized people will hear.
@@jenellel2019 That actually reinforces their point about how crucial resilience is.
@@cpjds1 - We need healing from our trauma not ‘be resilient’ and be in denial that it is impacting us. I’m a trauma therapist, trauma actually changes the function of our brain and it acts on its own in ways that we are not I control of. We need God’s healing of events to ‘heal’ the function of our nervous system/brain.
@amylynnhunt55, it may be that your brother is prevaricating to gain attention & sympathy, but he may also have vicarious traumatization from others retelling their stories.
After going through 2 bouts of legitimate depression, I now know the difference between being depressed and just down. So I know what to do in both cases. I personally think that a lot of psychology is garbage and there are people who deal with severe mental health disorders. I have noticed that people throw around trauma like it’s a badge of honor.
I’m really looking forward to watching all of this. As someone who works in the drug and alcohol prevention and recovery field and heavily involved in schools and social emotional learning, I do worry sometimes that we are creating the next generation to be so hyper focused on their emotions and themselves that we could be encouraging too much selfishness. On the other hand, there are so many kids with dealing with unimaginable traumas in their life, so it’s important to create a balance and not delegitimize serious hurts.
Same! I think it's some kind of overcorrection from past generations who didn't talk much about it and it was shameful and secretive. But now it's the extreme of trauma as a permanent identity or something and that's not healthy either. Praying for a course correct.
This was a great program. At 70, I don’t know anyone who hasn’t been through enough trauma, that they could have let it destroy them. The day I decided to stop being a victim and get out of my head, was the day I got my life back. How can I be effective and encouraging to others and find purpose in my life when I get lost in my own pain. God meant for us to use our pain and challenges to help pull others up.
That is so true. I love that passage in 2. Corinthians 1!
You just confirmed what I have been thinking about for a time now. I see that everywhere. I had to deal with my trauma and move on otherwise I would have been misserable all the time. Thank you.
Thank you for this! As a teacher in a Christian school, I have been concerned about how much the world's thinking about "trauma" is affecting our approach to student accountability and discipline. And the example Alisa gave about the guy wanting an audio book--this is so prevalent in education right now. We are not addressing real problems that students have--we are sidestepping their weaknesses and making them fragile in the process.
People confuse the role of therapy and counseling. It's to learn to live with reality, not necessarily to feel better.
Great link between the trauma focus and deconstruction
If we understand suffering as loss of agency, rather than just an experience of pain, it can help us see how we can transcend suffering. I think this is what enabled Paul to be content in all situations. He realized that in the midst of pain and trial, he still had a choice in his response. Similarly, James said we can have joy in the face of trials because he saw the characterological fruit it could produce.
Remember, things don’t happen as fast as one can read. In other words Job most likely didn’t wake up the next morning with more livestock etc. .
I guess it is hard to find that balance. We don't want to hyper focus but do want to acknowledge it and give the help needed
I think the balance is figuring out how to help without enabling.
One contributing factor to parents being overprotective of their children is car-dependence. When towns and cities are designed so that cars are the only practical way to get around then they become less safe for children to play outside (both due to the increased number of cars and the lower number of "eyes on the street"). And in such an environment children don't have the option to go places by themselves, which makes it impossible for them to begin learning how to be independent until they are old enough to drive. This has a lot of impact on the way children are raised and seen. If the only options to give your children something to do when they aren't at school are activities at home or driving them to a supervised activity that's going to make everybody in that society view children as more infantile than they would be in a society where there were other options.
This is obviously an entirely separate factor to the ones you were discussing in the video, but it certainly reinforces the factors you were talking about.
If you are a "hostage" you have nowhere to go, and yes, it hurt to be alone in pain and suffering
Very interesting comment at around 51:12 about teaching our children to modulate their behavior. I remember disciplining our young daughter when she had developed a pattern of, what I called "passive rebellion". Her behavior was so passive that I was confused about how to proceed. After discipline, I heard her singing in her bedroom! She was actually happy! Proverb 25:28 is true: "He that hath NO RULE over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down and without walls." Maybe too much liberty makes us more rebellious and sad. Thank you for making me think......
How did you discipline your daughter?
At the end of the Breakpoint weekly podcast this week Maria recommended listening to her conversation with Alisa. What a relief to hear this. I keep hearing about trauma informed therapy and fearing that I have suppressed something which might explain years of battling depression, anxiety and an eating disorder. At the same time, I feel terrified about what I might unearth. In the 90s my sister became convinced that the reason for her severe mental illness was a repressed memory of abuse. With the help of a counselor and peers she concluded that our dad had abused all 7 children and we had repressed the memory. It wasn’t true but so much pain was caused. When I worry about some repressed memory being the key to solving my problems my counselor has always said that we are responsible for what we do with what has happened to us. This is a blessing to hear this. I can focus on getting better and let go of probing for trauma, thank you.
This is marvelous. I've thought this for some time now.
From a Freedom vs Tyranny perspective, tyrants can rule far more easily over a nation of basketcases. Stand up, friends! Be strong! 💪 🇺🇸
Totally agree, especially the last comment about keeping a sharp mind, a soft heart, and thick skin. I as an adult because I'm a baby boomer and it wasn't known that well when I was young, was diagnosed with ADD. At the time ADD and ADHD for two different diagnoses, however for some reason they've lumped them together but that's another story. I will tell you that yes it is much easier to listen then to read, because we tend to go back and forth repeating sentences and take forever to read a page. However if you can listen and read at the same time that's even the best. It is what I do with my Bible app. I read along as I'm listening. Actually that technique is best for everybody. Now when it comes to something that needs to be read, but does not have anything audible to it, of course I press on and read through. What helps me is to read aloud on that happens, and if I'm in a place where I can't read completely allowed then I whisper to myself. All of those techniques help a lot. I served 20 years in the Navy so I can't speak for other branches but all the way from the beginning in boot camp we are taught emergent mitigate planning. Some civilians would see us as OCD, but it is not. Basically what it means is to look at everything in everything that you are doing or that's being done around you in the big picture. Look at what effects what, and what is necessary and what is not. It would take forever for me to explain everything but that pretty much sums it up. And guess what, it's totally normal and actually healthy. Us veterans wish everyone would think that way, lol. It's another way of saying live on purpose, except in our case in the Holy Spirit with Christ. In the military by the way, we all go through boot camp and there is a lot of suffering involved, and it is on purpose. Suffering can strengthen, and suffering can be on purpose. Ask anybody who's been through boot camp, survival school, a gymnast or any other athlete, and they will tell you suffering is on purpose and is for your good. The thing is is you have to allow God to use it.
Military careers are often good picks for ppl with ADHD. Its the rare combination of routine and discipline and also variety at the same time.
I really really have enjoyed listening to this.
An awesome conversation indeed.
It was Malcolm Muggeridge who said that we'd be terrible people if we didn't suffer.
Not sure if this was mentioned in the podcast, but Abigail Shrier's recent book on this topic is so good, called "Bad Therapy: Why the Kids Aren't Growing Up"
I agree it's too much of a focus. I said something once in a meeting where I worked (at a social services agency). We were doing a trauma informed training, and I said something about teaching resilience and not focusing on people as 'victims' of their trauma. The room got quiet, but a few people nodded their heads. I tend to think it's an overcorrection from the past when trauma was swept under the rug, so now there's this extreme focus on it. I pray it will course correct and we can understand the role trauma plays but not get too entrenched in it as our identity. Jesus heals us from this and we grow stronger in Him. Thank you for this video!!
I’m just watching this here and now and it truly hits home in a lot of ways… it’s something I’ve been thinking on this week and the thought that keeps coming to mind is that we need to be able to speak about, identify and talk about feelings including those that result from trauma, but those feelings should not be at the steering wheel of our lives. Feelings are continually changing, they are wonderful and unreliable. We need to embrace them with intellect and a biblical view and the heart of God
There’s a difference between acknowledging and hyper focusing. I would say the majority of the people who are acknowledging their trauma don’t fall into the second category. And there’s enough shame around healing trauma to begin with. I hope you truly tread lightly with this subject as there’s a lot of brave hurting people who are strong enough to acknowledge and face and deal with what they’ve been through, and that’s more resilient than anything I can think of. ❤
Exactly. Facing the trauma & working through it requires a tremendous amount of courage & strength. Running from it & avoiding are the destructive alternative. Not sure that in the process of dealing with it that you are necessarily hyper-focusing on it. Healing trauma is a process & part of that is awareness in what is happening to you in the process. Short term it may seem like hyper-focusing, but the long-term goal is healing to the point that one can function & move through life in a healthy manner.
Tucky I'd so much rather get attention and acknowledgement for the things I am good at, but over time I learned that is a form of narcissism. I am open with others about my trauma journey because it's part of my personal life if I am to be fully a part of the Body, I won't try to hide it, or on the flip side, just try to get sympathy for it.
I know too many folks who stagnate and ruminate in their traumas for years/decades. It’s not helping them heal. As soon as they meet a stranger, they begin pouring out their heart about their traumatic event/s from long ago that they refuse to put in their rear view. And of course their trauma is much worse than anyone else’s!
@@GinKirk7256 If only they would 'buck up,' huh? I mean what is Jesus there for.
@@GinKirk7256 (Sarcasm)
I think it would be important to expand this conversation by bringing people who can share about how they have or are dealing with their mental health challenges in healthy ways. And perhaps christian mental health professionals?
It's about time !! Thank you so much for this episode!❤🎉
Amen Alisa! Per my book "Rules for Defeating Radicals" (which we discussed), the mockery and intimidation tactics of the Alinsky Strategy only works on those who accept/allow it. We are exhorted in Scripture to be overcomers. We don't need to accept the attacks or let them define us and drive us into a defensive posture from which we will never be victorious!
Your right. We can't let radicals define us.
Good to know our new enemy is radicals and not Satan. Radicals are considerably less intimidating in most situations. 😅
@@FireflowerDancer You can be sure they are his minions.
My understanding of suffering ... pain is what happens to us. Suffering is our reaction to the pain. We can change our attitude toward our pain and cease to suffer. Two people can experience the same pain ... and one suffers and the other doesn't.
The most important thing to healing and deliverance from “trauma and abuse” is real and true forgiveness of the people who have traumatized us. But also there is PTSD in someone who witnessed there best friend get blown apart buy a mortar in a Fox hole for example. Hurt people hurt people and need healing from the lord to be free from that.
I am quite taken aback by Alisa's attitude towards c0v1d.
I wasn't in the least bit worried about the disease itself. Life went on as normal in our house. I didn't wear a mask. I didn't run out to get jabbed so I could travel or go to a restaurant.
But it was the government response and overreach that affected me powerfully.
I could never just shrug off the whole event and laugh at the fact I could have food delivered to my door when people were being forced to get the jab to keep their jobs. When the enitre economy was ground to a halt and many businesses had to close for policies that I knew, at the time, were ineffective at best (and evil at worst), which is pretty commonly known now.
Granted, I am in Canada, and things might have been worse up here, but even in Alberta, Canada's Texas, there were attempts to force compliance and my business was harmed badly for over 2 years.
Not sure where Alisa was through all of this, but apparently she did not have a business that was affected the way mine, and thousands of others, were. Nor was she compelled to get the jab to keep food on the table.
I really do appreciate Alisa's podcast and message. This episode is great as well. Love Maria's message on trauma.
Well said. I agree with you….theres a distinct lack of discernment re the Coof and all its trappings.
@@psalm1197 "Lack of discernment"... exactly. This is why I know this was a scheme of the enemy. Because it fooled so many and continues to do so despite the new evidence.
@@EsseQuamVideriSe7en well we as Christians shouldn’t be so easily fooled. It’s a shame so many were taken in by Fear
@@psalm1197 I just hope they see that they were fearful and that they got closer to God.
My dad was taken by the death protocol in the hospitals, our lives have been turned upside down by the grief and the amount of lies and cover up that were involved. It never ceases to amaze me how brethren talk so casually and almost jokingly about something so horrific. It’s ironic that the conversation is about trauma. I’d say I’m no weenie, but it’s legitimately traumatic what was done to him and that everyone just went on about their lives as though it never happened. So yes, I was also a little unnerved how casually they talked about that with just a quick “not including families who lost loved ones”. Also that she claims to have OCD yet was taken aback at how afraid people were at the time.
It's because they raise it often in the public schools as part of the "puberty talk". At least in the school district where I've read the curriculum. Thank you. I was astounded by how much emphasis they made and my gut was right that it was too much.
Yes, it's called SEL (Social Emotional Learning) and of course, English teachers present it as part of the school's curriculum. I think that Allie Beth Stuckey did an interview with Abigail Shrier on this.
True. @@opinionated2
Trauma is especially focused on the 5th grade "sex ed" curriculum.
This conversation on suffering is so important. A few years ago, I used to listen to a secular business guy with a "health and wealth" mentality. One day he said, " I am trying to figure out how to live forever." Immediately I realized that he was a fool, and I, an even greater one for listening to him. Without Jesus, he couldn't live forever, but in his foolishness he was pursuing some kind of genetic biological discovery to keep him from sickness and ultimately death. It was all vain imaginations and self glorification. I can tell you i stopped listening to him. And began really studying my Bible and seeking to listen to God instead of man.
Overprotection is probably a result of the evils of the world are more publicly in our faces. Many years ago, it was stories we heard or police headlines……. Now we see it as well as hear it all the time. The monsters have multiplied and safety is not something we can experience. Small towns and country towns people are a little more relaxed. Our parents see the escalating crime…….they are fearful
This should be interesting. All depends on how you define "hyper-focus" on trauma. As a conservative Christian psychotherapist, I've been seeing growing animus from my fellow conservative Evangelicals against the very idea of trauma.
💯 it’s a bit of an ignorant approach
Along with church hurt and the desire to deconstruct. Of course all these problems are just imaginary and Christians should stop whining and just fill the donation basket like they're told. Sorry, that got dark quick . . .
I’m still watching this, but it seems like these two actually DO go into the nuance of it. Balancing this ideas of trauma being 100% real but not 100% unchanging. Also, with the uprising of a clinical approach to nearly everything, the risk of pathologizing every struggle.
@@cpjds1Please check out Maria's article to see what she really thinks. It has no actual medical basis. She's a journalist using a reference to a study to try and invalidate people's trauma experiences and blame it all on a weak mind, basically. Like she believes it's something that will get better if you 'just don't talk about it.'
@@cpjds1Also, clinical trauma therapy is very successful so I'm not sure why we even think we should be so negative about it in the first place.
Ooo this sounds awesome
I love Maria Baer! It's so fun to finally see what she looks like! ❤
We’re saying then that people don’t share their trauma don’t experience mental health issues? So we’re going back to keeping trauma in the closet? Talking about it isn’t ‘processing’ it. I’m a trauma therapist who has worked hard to help the church see the Autonomic Nervous System impact from trauma. So much to say. I hope this doesn’t send 10 years of effort down the drain. Love your work Alisa. This is concerning even tho I understand the social contagion of living in your disorder. I suggest we remove the word disorder from everything because we’re all impacted and managing our earthly suffering in different ways. I refuse to give up on the Church as it relates to trauma.
I think, Maria said somewhere in the first 20 minutes that this talk is not about people who talk about their pain to cope with it.
She said it’s about people who keep dwelling on it and nurturing a state of victimhood (my words) and basically the general motivation, why someone would talk about experienced pain. 🤗
'Being rude is a trauma response.' Now that is truly taking the idea to the extreme 💡 💥
Such a blessing this episode is. It brings language for me when i try to verbalize it to others especially in the church when i describe where i stand especially from my own personal journey as a christian.
Yes; over-focusing on Trauma is hurting also people who leave the LBGTQ as we are continually reminded of father wounds and mother wounds while people only listen and change nothing at large in Churches or the general public.
This was so good. It turned into listening to a conversation with friends but remained on point.
Honestly, I didn't agree with the methodology of the guest. Romanticising letting kids walk the streets until the lamps go down is not wise. Romanticising "letting kids suffer" needs more qualifiers. I was abused several times simply because I was not under the watchful eyes of my parents- simply because it was normal for parents to let their kids run amuck. I don't care if my kids hate me because I don't let them run amuck without me. I care that they aren't damaged by offenses so severe they could call for a death penality in old testament times. I will not let them suffer for my lack of care. You don’t have to let your kids suffer immensly to prepare them for suffering later in life.
Also, this content is consumed worldwide. 🇳🇦
VicTIM or VicTOR? You decide how you are defined. It's not what happens to us but how we choose to deal with it that matters! Victor please! And Jesus paved my way!
2 of my favorite thinkers in one show!!
Excellent!
Thank you. Life changing for me.
Thanks for posting
I can't even watch this video. The first 2 minutes said it all. Judging people with trauma is not a Christian thing to to. We are called to forgive each other for our faults. And understanding that many people's behaviour stems from previous abuse in their life only helps us to forgive each other.
Videos like this are not helping spread the gospel and only harm people further. When you are in the middle of a PTSD flashback you can't just "be resilient".
Sending my love to anyone going through PTSD. Lean on God, spend time with supportive people, get out into nature. And please don't be ashamed to seek professional help if things get too much ❤
It's interesting you mention "judging" when you yourself judged a one hour video on the first two minutes.
Watch the video.
@@holeyheartedmelissa4503 yes because people with PTSD need support, not to be told within the first two minutes of a video that they're making their diagnosis "their personality". I'm sorry I can't watch any further and I honestly explained why. I wrote my comment to show love and support to anyone watching who has PTSD and felt the same way as I did. Please don't start an argument over a comment that was written in love to people who are fighting with their mental health.
@@Sisters-in-Christ- but they say the same thing as you. Real trauma needs to be worked through and dealt with. It feels like you had your mind made up just reading the title and obviously did not listen to what they said.
Exactly, thank you
@@holeyheartedmelissa4503 Title is enough for me to do not listen
Spot on!!! I’ve noticed the same thing.
What is being referred to here is a pop cultural trivialization of psychological terms & issues. An example would be the way both narcissism, & OCD have been commonly used in conversations to describe eccentric & or selfish people. As we know, narcissism & OCD are valid clinical diagnoses highly descriptive of the individuals who have them. What is awesome is that clinicians & researchers have come a long way in terms of their understanding & treatment of the effects of trauma on the brain & the body. We're fortunate to be living in a time when therapeutic interventions have progressed so that trauma recovery is accessible & available to those who need it. Even though a person's description of trauma might not be our personal experience, or match our definition of trauma, let's not diminish it, as they may just have begun to speak of & explore it. We might not be the persons to listen their story, perhaps we can point them to someone (preferably professional) who can. Real trauma exists, even though it may not be our personal experience, therefore we should avoid succumbing to the popular conceptions & misapplication of trauma.
Thank you for this…🙏
Thank you
I think maybe that Gen-zer has over empathized with their disability. I get it ADHD is hard. I have some learning limitations and they are issues I face on a daily bases. However, I’m not like hi I am my disability and I need everyone to accommodate my disability. I am a Christian, a wife, a friend and so much more. I love that you are talking about the topic of trauma being a person’s identity.
Love this!
Great discussion and I agree with much of what is said here. I do, however, cringe when I hear Christians even refer to OCD as a diagnosis. I think it also falls under the category of behavior and emotions that must be brought under the control of the Holy Spirit rather than conveniently tucked in a category of helplessness.
Focusing on trauma is the lynch pin of deliverance ministry.
because it's real, the Holy Spirit can heal
Beautiful!! 😻
Is there a specific article or somewhere where Maria has discussed her OCD diagnosis a bit more in-depth? I went to the resources to find her online but I didn’t see anything specifically about that. A few of the symptoms she mentioned stuck out to me for a friend and I’d like to know more
Alisa, no disrespect to you or your guest, however if you really want to speak to an expert on the need to address trauma and recovery especially in the church you should interview Diane Langberg. Her best selling book, On the Threshold of Hope has been a blessing. She's been helping those who have suffered trauma, and how they deal with it. Best wishes.
Jesus said, "In this world you WILL have tribulation, but be of good cheer for I have overcome the world." He didn't say "if". We should expect problems, etc. and ask God to help us overcome them!
This was a good conversation.
Does anyone think that perhaps journaling could be too much inner self thought?
I think it can be.
I'm quite sure if the diagnoses were available today I would have been an alphabet child, ADD etc. And medicated to the hilt. I was a bit depressed during covid but not clinically it was just a natural reaction to an aweful situation. I did see the procrastination is a trauma response ad and almost fell for it as an excuse. I had some childhood trauma but not as bad as so many mire people. Again I praise the Lord that I was not born any later otherwise I probably would have fallen so easily into using my trauma as well as establishing more traumas to excuse my less than good behaviors and be disabled emotionally or mentally for the rest of my life.
Alisa Mom must have been trained by Jason Bourne!
Focus on darkness…sink. Reach toward Light in God himself He will be found (James 4:8)!
Philippians 4:8
“Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things.”
It‘s totally fine to deal with the consequences, but the victimization and the student example is not the norm from what I have seen. And feeling anxious and/or sad are normal human conditions, depression and severe mental health struggles are something complete else.
Rigid black and white thinking won‘t get anyone anywhere. Procrastination in itself isn‘t a trauma response, but maybe hint towards a deeper problem. I listened to this video halfway through and the guest speaker had no real insight to offer.
As a biblical counsellor tuning in to hear how my sisters in Christ think through these issues, I was disappointed with some of the worldly terminology and thinking in this convo like “lizard brain” & a lower view of scripture (even though it was mentioned and quoted) and of God than I would hope to hear.
everyone has PTSD today...
Resist the devil and he will flee.
It's only through submitting to Christ that I can resist the devil.
@@carriestout6422Amen! ❤
@@carriestout6422 Jesus memorized and Quoted the Bible at Satan's temptations while Jesus was in the wilderness for 40 days.
If Jesus modeled that coping strategy then I believe it'll work for me.
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@@lifeinthe80sHow did you find this video?
I do think it's a fine line about healing and hyperfocusing. I have seen both.
wonder how many people will be hurt and offended by this.
Reading through an audiobook or text-to-speech IS the adaptation for someone with ADHD. That IS them "pushing through". You wouldn't ask the person in the wheelchair to figure out how to use the stairs, they can only have the ramp until they learn to "push through".
And ADHD is not a trauma response, it is a neurochemical diagnosis. I don't know that "armchair psychologists" should be so bold with opinions.
@@melissawohlgemut2630ADHD doesn't mean illiterate
Do you have thoughts about EMDR (Eye movement desentization & reprocessing)? I have a stinking suspicions it's just the latest version of Emotional Freedom Therapy, Tapping, Reiki and other trauma healing techniques that train people to need something more than Jesus.
Your thoughts?
All I can say is inspite of all the research in relation to trauma be it sexual abuse and physical violence that is a process in which only through the healing power of the Holy Spirit can provide,lay it at the feet of Jesus Christ.
Yes because people think trauma is hearing God thinks stealing is a sin when they want to steal it’s gotten out of hand
What people are you referring to, exactly?
People on RUclips saying they were traumatized by the church for saying stealing is wrong or sex before marriage is wrong that’s called a different of opinion not trauma I was physically abused by my teacher that is trauma people don’t know what that word means anymore
@@annb9029Oh, that just sounds like RUclips immaturity. I've never met a Christian who literally believed that being told to follow the ten commandments was 'trauma.' Wow 😢😂😢
It’s a whole bunch of people deconstructing for small things like this I can maybe understand if it was legitimate hurt like abuse but they call trauma anything they disagree with like not having sex outside marriage
@@annb9029That has nothing do with trauma. I am part of an actual community comprised of trauma survivors of diffeent ages, gender and walks of life. And this is not how we talk. I would suggest finding a healthier community and just ignoring that stuff.
I’m sorry but if something horrific and evil happens to one of your daughters at the hands of someone else you will not be saying God meant or caused it to happen. That’s Calvinism stuff.
What about Job?
Welp. 13:16, no understanding of ADHD. Would you be bringing this up if the person said, I'm blind, is this avail in braille or text to speech?
The student didnt refuse to consume the material. The student was accepting that they have a literal neurological developmental disorder.
Do you see that there is a balance between acknowledging a mental condition that makes certain tasks more challenging and saying the tasks are impossible (like blindness). Complete blindness has no spectrum…you see nothing that’s helpful, other than sometimes light differences. ADHD has a spectrum of severity and some people who have it can certainly read books. It doesn’t preclude their ability to read…it’s the long, focused task that is a challenge. I think her point was about pathologizing everything and treating it as part of our identity that needs to be catered to.
@@cpjds1 blindness is a spectrum in the lexicon. Hence, legally blind.
I think you missed the point though. She brought up a student who said he needed audio format to comprehend. (Also, without relistening, I believe the student didn't say he couldn't read, he said he couldn't read books. And let's say I spend 40 hours TRYING to read a simple book. Are you even more pedantic than I am if you're claiming that it would be completely incorrect to say "I couldn't read the book," even though I'm obviously literate.) If your entire point is that can't read should only be used to mean illiterate for whatever reason, ok (?)
Your comment about ADHD being a spectrum is really irrelevant to what was said in the video and my response to it.
You might be ADHD like me if you get sidetracked and on tangents, missing the point.
I bet the woman at the well had a heck load of trauma. How did Jesus help her? “…whoever drinks of the water that I will give him will never be thirsty again. The water that I will give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” Does he tell her to acknowledge her trauma? To understand what led her to the life she was leading? Nope.
Lizard?
"If God is love, then suffering has no relationship to it."
“Love suffers long and is kind.”
@@cpjds1 Sometimes people dont want to hear the truth because they dont want their illusions destroyed.
Woke 2.0
I dwelt on my ptsd for years until Jesus told me to give Him my burden. I do not want to receive that burden back. Sometimes Satan tries to give me the old terror. I give it to God immediately.
Matthew 11:28 all the way!
@@lifeinthe80s We can compare notes after we both die.
This is on topic as I've been thinking about suffering today. TBN had a great epsiode about being able to process our emotions. A lot of people don't know how to process through. They stuff it down with food, they distract themselves with social media they even turn to addiction to avoid dealing with their pain. Whereas in Scripture we see Jesus agonizing over his coming suffering and death and asking the Father if he could let this cup pass from Him. He was expressing all of his emotions to the Father! Something I think most people forget. This is how we process, we bring it all to the table He is our Comforter and our strength.
Yes! It is not selfish or immature to desire that someone respond to our pain. That's how God made us ❤
Many Christians hate suffering and value the eternal afterlife of heaven. However I believe that suffering is often a blessing in disguise. For example, as you mention that Jesus gave his life. He was being forced to confront and overcome his weaknesses as a necessary step on the road to greatness.
@@lifeinthe80syou are missing the point here. Paul said, I have been crucify with Chris. Was he really crucify? You have to crucify the I, the ego as Paul puts it the old man, the ego.. Make of yourself a living sacrifice, a sacrifice that is full of life. Jesus gave God the power. He did not accept his own will power. Not my will but your will be done.
Wow! This conversation was so very helpful and thoughtful! Thank you!
For a Child of God, Jesus Christ took on our greatest trauma. We cannot view ourselves as victims of trauma, but rather overcomers of trauma through Jesus Christ. Instead of focusing on our trauma, we should focus on the trauma awaiting those who are not Children of God and point them to the truth.
The focus on trauma is also being used by progressives inside the church to promote contemplative prayer. It creates a victim mindset and takes them out of the Word and away from God. When you live as a victim, you can be controlled. Make them believe they are a victim of trauma, tell them to focus on breathing and clearing their minds of all thoughts, teach them wrong doctrine, they have no discernment and believe the false doctrine.
Psalm 107 Then they cried to the Lord in their trouble, and he delivered them from their distress.
Suffering is evil. But God can use evil for His good. And humans use good for our evil desires.
I love this title!
On the thumbnail 😊